Posts by Brokeback Watchtower

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The money question...

by Tornintwo in

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i am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.

whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.

yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.

Brokeback Watchtower

That amount is simply representative of a paper transaction to "forgive" Kingdom Hall loans. It is a side step to fall in line with the allowable "donation" system of income. Loans are not considered an allowable form of revenue for charities.

So the fact that the forgave the loans because they were technically illegal to make being that they were a charity. If I remember right they also charged interest on those loans in the past. So I think this alone warrants a audit plus some stiff penalties I would assume.

I would be so happy if the IRS did an audit of the WT corporation I'm sure they would find a lot of illegal activity that benefits some third parties when they do.

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How Many JWs Really Believe Everything They Are Told?

by minimus in

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i think that 80% of jws do not truly believe in what they are taught .

the vast majority stay in because of family, friends, ignorance and a lack of caring about any of the facts regarding the "truth".

many people are lazy.

Brokeback Watchtower

I'm sure this latest money grab and mass lay off of cheap slave labor has got people doubting especially those that got the axe have got to have their doubts after such cruel treatment without any reasonable warning. The events now transpiring are giving many doubts and it is spreading as more dig a little deeper to find out why(?) which is only natural.

I would say that recent events have changed the way the majority inside the fold are now looking at the GB and organization for answers and it will take a little time before we can see the effects of all this bad news circulating around the world about the Watchtowers financial down turn and duplicity in handling matters when children's lives and welfare are involved.

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Could There Be Another Mass Exodus From This Cult?

by mrquik in

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it's happened before.

how much crap can any rational human being take before they just snap & walk away disgusted?.

Brokeback Watchtower

Some are saying that they entered the final stage of wishful thinking the nightmare stage when the whole delusion falls apart with the crashing in of reality. I personally think they are very close to that stage or are there, but we are on the outside looking in and have no idea of the "total shit" they are facing right now, we just have a sketchy picture which we can only guess at due to the notoriety of some of their legal troubles and sudden work stoppage which from the outside looking in can be considered as indicative that nightmare stage is in progress and growing bigger each and every day.

Being that the GB don't like to admit to anything negative and are in a deep state of denial I would not go by any of their numbers that they publish because surely such liars don't have any qualms fudging figures to give a false impression about a mass exodus because that would cause a stampede in the herd, as would an admission that contribution are way down and business is no longer profitable would cause a mass withholding of donation as people don't want to throw good money after bad. Only when they are left with no other choice will they finally admit a serious down turn of events and financial difficulties.

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Bethels all downsizing within a year?

by Formerbrother in

why is there a huge cull going on of all bethels around the world?.

about 80% cull within the next year?.

some have been in bethel for decades and will be sent packing, the 20% of bethelites who stay will have to do their own food, laundry and clean their flat.

Brokeback Watchtower

What are all these exbethelites all around the world going to do? They have no money no qualifications and have been paying no tax or national insurance contributions.
How will they cope kicked out into the street like garbage?

I'm sure most will be reduced to a state of poverty with virtually no help from the WT corporation, many will have their hopes dashed and will spread discontent through out JW world where ever they land eroding loyalty and shrinking contribution even further. A snowball effect gather momentum and size with a big crash at the end.

Add this to all the information available on the internet exposing them a frauds and showing where the money went on lawsuits and bad business practices. Many even there at Bethel will start to do more research to find out their possible fate as worry prompts them to look elsewhere for instead of to the Governing Body to find answers heating up things right there in the center of the spiritual paradise.

This situation is starting to look very dangerous as more and more are seeing the man behind the curtain so to speak and are finding things a little overwhelming because of the level out right fraud among the worshipped Governing Body.

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Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

by Brokeback Watchtower in

losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

Brokeback Watchtower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJJ1TwC-upE

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Bethel "Vow of Poverty" documents scanned.

by What-A-Coincidence in

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vow of poverty scanned from 2002 documents.

i believe these are the latest ones unless someone has a newer one.

i posted these in another thread but i thought it deserved its own.. ocrd with 98% accuracy.... initial cover page 1 of 4. vow of obedience and povertyto the.

Brokeback Watchtower

I wonder if we compare the catholic vow of poverty with the JW corporation vow of poverty we might find some legal problems for the WT being that it is basically illegal to require signing of such a document to a corporation charitable or otherwise.

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Is it "volunteering" or is it "slavery" or something else?

by Scully in

the wts depends almost exclusively on a volunteer labor force.

its members volunteer their time, goods and services for the benefit and financial gain of the wts.

the "carrot" that drives this volunteerism is god's favour, and ostensibly the further recruitment of new volunteers who will also use their time, goods and services for the benefit and financial gain of the wts.. however, when the "carrot" turns out to be part of a con, and turns out to be completely false (as it often does in areas where human traffickers use the promise of "a better life" or "a better future" to recruit people) it is referred to as slavery.. people willingly sign up for what turns out to be slave labour, and often sign their children up for what turns out to be slave labour, on the false promise of bettering themselves.. now i know that bethelitestm, missionariestm and special pioneerstm receive a very modest monthly stipend that doesn't even cover personal care supplies, much less provide for clothing, transportation, etc., and that these folks rely heavily on the generosity of brotherstm and sisterstm.

Brokeback Watchtower

BTTT

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Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

by Brokeback Watchtower in

losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

Brokeback Watchtower

Yep he sure blew a big chance to let his light shine in the court room of law where it really counts. Instead he failed miserably I mean here he is telling all his followers to be kind to their neighbor because this is one way to let your light shine, but when called before a court of law where he could show the Judge how they treat victims of child molestation by disfelloshipping them for slander or being a willing accomplice, and how much they care for pedo with extra ordinary neighbor love by helping pedos stay incognito to facilitate molesting more children inside the congregation. I mean he could have given an excellent witness for the Corporation and Jehovah and the whole shebang but instead he put his light under a basket to keep it hid from public view and cost the Corporation 13 million dollars in a child molestation lawsuit. I don't know where did he got the whole nine yards of guts to give such a hypocritical talk without a hint of remorse or shame in his face or voice on almost total auto pilot I wonder if he is on any type of mood suppressants?

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Gerrit Losch Hypocritical: "Let Your Light Shine" Talk Given After His Refusal To Let His Light Shine Before Caesar In A Court Room

by Brokeback Watchtower in

losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit .

i think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law.

this man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful.

Brokeback Watchtower

Losch's refusal to appear in court when subpeona'd to give testimony before a judge over his involvement in child abuse cover up and endangerment lawsuit . I think such conduct should take away his freeness of speech and label him as a supreme hypocrite for giving such a talk about letting one light shine when he seems to be afraid to let his light shine in a court of law. This man's hypocrisy knows no limits, and is extremely shameful. Due to extreme compartmentalization can this man give such a hypocritical talk to his followers. He needs to see a psychiatrist I'm sure with this much denial going on in his cranium.

http://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODStudio/pub-jwban_201510_1_VIDEO

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Bro Loesch's talk.

by New day in

recently i heard through video link to our kh a talk by bro loesch where he attacked university study (again) but this time he prefaced his remarks by saying, and i quote, "the faithful slave does not forbid you to go to university.

" so this was a bad start as his following remarks made it clear that this was just a way of seeming reasonable while basically saying that we shouldn't do it.

he went on to use an illustration i think he has used before about a man with ocd who decided to kill himself.

Brokeback Watchtower

Martin Luther King was a smart man that had a plan to truly help the oppress of his race, he was courageous, and a powerful speaker, that made sense. He was for the uplifting of the down trodden and was able to put it in plan simple words that the uneducated could comprehend and get courage from and join him in the cause. Loesch on the other hand is a brain dead coward who won't appear in court lying to refuse a subpoena to testify and seeks to enslave the youth by denying them an education another word a real creep with bad motives and nothing worth listening to.